Comments on: The whole GNOME and Mono and Java thing http://alledora.co.uk/wordpress/archives/2004/05/20/193 ...in which occasional posts describe occasionally boring things Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:44:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Hans Poo http://alledora.co.uk/wordpress/archives/2004/05/20/193#comment-261 Hans Poo Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:04:03 +0000 http://www.alledora.co.uk/archives/2004/05/20/193#comment-261 I think it's a very good article, i've been thinking the same things last few time. The comments above mine are of mercenaries who don't care about opensource, nor they know. Of course we can't trust java neither .net. M$ is just following their primary idea of decomoditizing protocols as the halloween documents said, when they develop .net they said something like: "java has kept sun in the game, we must build our own language for domination". I think parrot is the way or some other kind of 100% opensource platform. Just consider current allianzes between sun and M$ and the demand against ibm from M$ trying to damage linux and opensource. I think it’s a very good article, i’ve been thinking the same things last few time. The comments above mine are of mercenaries who don’t care about opensource, nor they know. Of course we can’t trust java neither .net. M$ is just following their primary idea of decomoditizing protocols as the halloween documents said, when they develop .net they said something like: “java has kept sun in the game, we must build our own language for domination”. I think parrot is the way or some other kind of 100% opensource platform. Just consider current allianzes between sun and M$ and the demand against ibm from M$ trying to damage linux and opensource.

]]> By: DJ Bobo http://alledora.co.uk/wordpress/archives/2004/05/20/193#comment-235 DJ Bobo Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.alledora.co.uk/archives/2004/05/20/193#comment-235 Honestly, I hope you are joking. I just took a look at Parrot, and it sucks. It feels like Assembly having sex with Basic. It is terrible. Really, I don't see any programmers migrating to anything like that. Python is a better alternative, but this strong-typeness it has pisses me off each time I have to hack some apps to get them run on newer versions. I admit that I haven't looked at Perl 6, but if it is anything remotely similar to the current Perl and it doesn't have a compiler version, I don't see it catching up either. So, that brings us back to Java and C# (with Python, Objective-C and C++ as underdogs). Personally, I would go for C# (much better than Java). Just don't implement the non-ECMA stuff so you can be safe from MS' laywers (or implement new stuff, even if incompatible to MS' .NET). Honestly, I hope you are joking. I just took a look at Parrot, and it sucks. It feels like Assembly having sex with Basic. It is terrible.

Really, I don’t see any programmers migrating to anything like that. Python is a better alternative, but this strong-typeness it has pisses me off each time I have to hack some apps to get them run on newer versions.

I admit that I haven’t looked at Perl 6, but if it is anything remotely similar to the current Perl and it doesn’t have a compiler version, I don’t see it catching up either.

So, that brings us back to Java and C# (with Python, Objective-C and C++ as underdogs). Personally, I would go for C# (much better than Java). Just don’t implement the non-ECMA stuff so you can be safe from MS’ laywers (or implement new stuff, even if incompatible to MS’ .NET).

]]> By: DJ Bobo http://alledora.co.uk/wordpress/archives/2004/05/20/193#comment-236 DJ Bobo Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.alledora.co.uk/archives/2004/05/20/193#comment-236 BTW, regarding Parrot, they have that example on their site where the C code is about 6 lines of code and the Parrot one is about 35. They even have the guts to present that example. Yuk. BTW, regarding Parrot, they have that example on their site where the C code is about 6 lines of code and the Parrot one is about 35. They even have the guts to present that example. Yuk.

]]> By: MaW http://alledora.co.uk/wordpress/archives/2004/05/20/193#comment-237 MaW Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.alledora.co.uk/archives/2004/05/20/193#comment-237 Coding in Parrot would be like coding in the .NET IL. Parrot is a language for compilers to target, not for humans to write directly (unless they're bootstrapping compilers that run on Parrot, of course). Coding in Parrot would be like coding in the .NET IL. Parrot is a language for compilers to target, not for humans to write directly (unless they’re bootstrapping compilers that run on Parrot, of course).

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